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White knight lord · Aug 13, 2007, 01:30 AM // 01:30

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Originally Posted by Craywulf

Bottom line is that customization puts load on ArenaNet's servers. If we have 4 million characters that are all visually unique, that would take a lot of coding for ArenaNet to process.

Everything has a cost. If Anet had to go through all the codeing the player should have to pay a reasonable cost and not no 1k-5k BS. Like I said let the player go through the codeing and then they can change their hair. Anet shouldn't have to go through the codeing changeing everyones little whims when the individual can just remake their char, especially since the player had the option to choose a characters looks. Simple as that.

I simply agreed with my self because many people think it is easy to change codeing.

The Herbalizer · Aug 13, 2007, 02:35 AM // 02:35

I would happily pay real money to alter my characters hair or change their names. Would make Anet some money and cover increase on server (if any).

Bryant Again · Aug 13, 2007, 02:46 AM // 02:46

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Originally Posted by White knight lord

Everything has a cost.

How much is the cost, is what matters. And for some reason, you feel that we should have to pretty much shoot ourselves in the head for customization.

I'm not demanding anything at all. I'm saying it would be awesome if I could change my hair. I'm not saying that I don't like my hair, I'm just tired of it. I'd like to be something different, and I think that's the mindset most people have.

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Originally Posted by White knight lord

I simply agreed with my self because many people think it is easy to change codeing.

How do you know that it's not easy as hell for ANet to do? Do you know ANet's coding process?

Dervish Gnome · Aug 13, 2007, 05:56 AM // 05:56

Dear ANET,

Having the option to change the looks of an older character would make my Prophecies Necromancer very happy. She's stuck back in the "thriller" days and needs to shed some light on her old shabby hair. My dear Necromancer has a bit of an armor lust...and with each new set of armor she is hoping to spice up her look, but she is always disappointed in the end. A new "do" may be the thing she's looking for to fill that hole inside her wrecked self-esteem. Don't you wish to save an old character from throwing herself into the delete bin along with other broken spirited characters that became too bored with what they were? I ask you to search your files and find a place for a hairstylist NPC in the new expansion GW:EN, if you won't do it for me...then please do it for the two year old characters who are inching their way to being a slot warmer only good for yearly mini pets.

Your's Truly,
Dervish Gnome

stiffler · Aug 13, 2007, 06:52 AM // 06:52

I logged on to my male Necro last night for the first time in ages and decided the corn rows need to go, I'm starting the think the hair stylist option might be a good investment.

Perfected Shadow · Aug 13, 2007, 01:20 PM // 13:20

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Most of people agree with hari style changes.
Many people agree with hair color changes.
Some people agree with very limited face changes.
Few agree with limited full design changes.
A very little few agree with unlimited full total customization.
And not many people talked about skin tone changes.

If full customization is implemented, then very few should be affected negatively because if they don't want to use any part(s) of the list, they can simply ignore those.

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Originally Posted by Neriandal Freit

Changing their face is extreme though, have to keep that in mind. Something that extreme should be very hard to acquire, and very expensive at that.

Why do you care if I or anyone wants to change the way our character looks? You don't want to then don't, but I don't see how it's beneficial to want to hinder others being able to use the option.

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Originally Posted by Matfei

Hair is OK; it can naturally be changed... Faces, I don't think so. It's good to keep something of a character the same; its not like you wake up in the morning and put on a new face after all!

Re-Roll if your not happy with the face.

So it’s good for YOU to keep your character the same for whatever reason. If you want to stick to the natural ‘real life can’t/can do this, etc’ business then do so. As for the rest of us, it would be good to have the option to change.

Neriandal Freit · Aug 13, 2007, 01:30 PM // 13:30

One: It's ridiculous. I think they should update your faces (cleaner look to them), yes, but not entirely change them to what ever you so please! It's like I said, it's creating a new character with the status of your old one, that's very disrespectful to that character if you give a damn. I know, it's just a game, but you invest your self into them, they become real.

Two: All of you "face changers" are wanting, wanting, and wanting. I don't do with whiny people. You're the ones who haven't seen what ANET does for us and don't appreciate what is there already, and haven't understood either. You're the ones who are always asking for more, more and more then leave this game when you decided to compare it to WoW.

Three: All of you are wanting it to be cheap. Sorry here folks! If you guys are wanting a real life thing into a "Real-Like" Fantasy setting, then your going to have to pay the price. Face lifts, tummy tucks, breast lifts and all those fun things aren't cheap, neither will this. If your going to have to change your face, I think 500k or more will be excellent!

How does this effect me? I'll give you this, it doesn't. I'll tell you this however. To ask like you guys are is insane, hair and color is one thing, but a face? Seriously? You people understand that if this is implimented, you will only be able to choose from the exact faces you decided against during the creation of your character right? You won't be able to use a Elonian face on a Tyrian born character, or have any of you thought this?

All of this ignorance that is going on around in this thread is ridiculous, and most of it is from players who are likely the ones who kill us during the missions we need done the most, players who get on once a week or noobs them selves!

None of you asking for these extremes understand anything here do you?

Dervish Gnome · Aug 13, 2007, 01:30 PM // 13:30

Well said Perfected Shadow.

About the whole "that's very disrespectful to that character"...I'm pretty sure my old character isn't going to turn around on my screen in objection to my changing her nor will she /pout. The only emote she'd be doing after her so called "Face-lift" is /cheer. I admire your...uh, dedication; however, if you truly understand that this is JUST a game then why are you so hellbent on making sure that you ARE right and calling nearly everyone in this forum a bunch of noobs?

If I was to ever do a face-lift on a character I would only do so if I was able to choose from a wide variety among ALL the chapters. If I wasn't able to do that then I simply would NOT do it, but if another player wishes to change their Prophecies face to another Prophecies face then by all means go right ahead. Who am I (or who are you) to argue against that?

Neriandal Freit · Aug 13, 2007, 01:57 PM // 13:57

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Originally Posted by Dervish Gnome

Well said Perfected Shadow.

About the whole "that's very disrespectful to that character"...I'm pretty sure my old character isn't going to turn around on my screen in objection to my changing her nor will she /pout. The only emote she'd be doing after her so called "Face-lift" is /cheer. I admire your...uh, dedication; however, if you truly understand that this is JUST a game then why are you so hellbent on making sure that you ARE right and calling nearly everyone in this forum a bunch of noobs?

If I was to ever do a face-lift on a character I would only do so if I was able to choose from a wide variety among ALL the chapters. If I wasn't able to do that then I simply would NOT do it, but if another player wishes to change their Prophecies face to another Prophecies face then by all means go right ahead. Who am I (or who are you) to argue against that?

See, the "turn around on my screen" thing is just what I figured one of you would say. We all know it's a game, yes, but those of who who understand that and have given our characters a life are the ones not wanting to see this implemented. You and the others are the ones who simply view this as a game, fine, congrats. Yes, that means I'm calling my self out as a real nerd here, but I'm sure the ones who do this know this game a lot better then most of you, the ones demanding and always asking for things. We don't want to see this created.

Not hellbent on being right, just hellbent on not seeing this come. Oh, and darling, I'm not calling everyone on this forum noobs, just the ones in this topic noobs. There is a huge difference there

And, with what you say about the "All", ANET wouldn't let you choose from any other campaign, so your quest for a new face is denied by your self. And, like I just said, why would choose a face you denied during your characters creation? They're the same, bland, boring faces as before, they aren't going to "come out of the screen" and say "Pick me!" to you.

DarkWasp · Aug 13, 2007, 02:20 PM // 14:20

I gotto agree with the respect thing.

I mean I know I wouldnt be able to JUST ignore it if there were face changes.

I mean, sure, I'd never do it... But I can imagine running across the same person 3 times and ONLY recognising the name. Not to mention, a lot of people would pick favorites and there would be quite a few more clones.

Know what that is?... RUNESCAPE!

Thaaaats right! You've just created the very game that GW fans sit arround in districts spamming that it "SUX". A game where the only recognition you get is finding a witty name that doesnt have 6 numbers after it!

So

YES to Hair Dressers
and holy crap NO to plastic surgery

**Oh and as I said earlier, regarding to how easy this is to code: The number of players in GW does NOT notably affect the coding proccess.

Take skill templates for example: They are small, and no matter what combonation of skills you use, they should stay around the same size. If they add more skills to the game, all your template files are not going to mysteriously grow.

The player database should be a bit like template files, a combonation of things.

Dervish Gnome · Aug 13, 2007, 02:20 PM // 14:20

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Originally Posted by Neriandal Freit

Oh, and darling, I'm not calling everyone on this forum noobs, just the ones in this topic noobs. There is a huge difference there

And, with what you say about the "All", ANET wouldn't let you choose from any other campaign, so your quest for a new face is denied by your self. And, like I just said, why would choose a face you denied during your characters creation? They're the same, bland, boring faces as before, they aren't going to "come out of the screen" and say "Pick me!" to you.

First off, never call me "darling" because the thought of being called by a term of endearment by...well, you...makes me ill.

Second, duh. I know we wouldn't be able to pick from all the chapters that is why I said if I wasn't able to do so then I simply would not change my character's face. Just because I don't get exactly what I want doesn't mean I'm going to throw a fit about it. Perhaps another player would like to change their face "just because" without any real reason. Who cares? I don't.

Third, indeed congrats to those of us who realize this is just a game. Sorry that I can tear myself away from the keyboard long enough to enjoy the so called "RL" outside my window.

Lastly, if you don't like the subject of this "topic" then by all means PLEASE don't post here. Excuse the rest of us for daydreaming about "what if..." and "if only..." Players are always going to ask for more, but just because we ask doesn't mean it has to be done. If people are going to stop playing Guild Wars just because they don't get a plastic surgeon (or because ANET broke down and put one in), then let them. All I have to say to those weak-minded players is "G'bye".

MithranArkanere · Aug 13, 2007, 02:32 PM // 14:32

When Prophecies first came out (even before being named Prophecies) there were some faces.

After some updates, new faces where added.

So the 'you have already chosen' is not valid for those, because you couldn't choose the new ones.

Dervish Gnome · Aug 13, 2007, 02:37 PM // 14:37

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

When Prophecies first came out (even before being named Prophecies) there were some faces.

After some updates, new faces where added.

So the 'you have already chosen' is not valid for those, because you couldn't choose the new ones.

That is a great point Mithran...I had forgotten about that.

*cheers for MithranArkanere*

White knight lord · Aug 13, 2007, 08:16 PM // 20:16

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

How much is the cost, is what matters. And for some reason, you feel that we should have to pretty much shoot ourselves in the head for customization.

IDK where in the hell you pulled that out from. I never said go to such extremes but it should have a fairly high cost to prevent folks from changeing every day and/or every week. I know it is their char but come on that would be rediculious (not saying everyone would but some).

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

I'm not demanding anything at all. I'm saying it would be awesome if I could change my hair. I'm not saying that I don't like my hair, I'm just tired of it. I'd like to be something different, and I think that's the mindset most people have.

If your saying you are "tired" of your hair that means you basically hate it cuz its old, but ya still hate it.

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

How do you know that it's not easy as hell for ANet to do? Do you know ANet's coding process?

I do not know if going through Millions of individual codeing for each char is hard. how bout you find that out for me

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Originally Posted by stiffler

I logged on to my male Necro last night for the first time in ages and decided the corn rows need to go, I'm starting the think the hair stylist option might be a good investment.

Good investment as it being another Money Sink for players? I know it is the players choice but imo this would be a money sink for most folks that want to be "unique". It would be their choice to buy and I couldn't tell them not to.

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Originally Posted by DarkWasp

**Oh and as I said earlier, regarding to how easy this is to code: The number of players in GW does NOT notably affect the coding proccess.

Take skill templates for example: They are small, and no matter what combonation of skills you use, they should stay around the same size. If they add more skills to the game, all your template files are not going to mysteriously grow.

The player database should be a bit like template files, a combonation of things.

It may not be Hard, but I suggest you go code for all of the millions folks that want/would like a hair change.

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Originally Posted by Neriandal Freit

See, the "turn around on my screen" thing is just what I figured one of you would say. We all know it's a game, yes, but those of who who understand that and have given our characters a life are the ones not wanting to see this implemented. You and the others are the ones who simply view this as a game, fine, congrats. Yes, that means I'm calling my self out as a real nerd here, but I'm sure the ones who do this know this game a lot better then most of you, the ones demanding and always asking for things. We don't want to see this created.

I realize this is just a game. Sometimes when I play, I play to well.."escape" if I may from the outside world of stupid people on a day by day basis and play the game by myself or with friends.I do care what my characters look like because no matter what char looks like there is a little of you inside the char from the "names,hair,size,title or just over all looks". I Like all my chars and to change them...it just isn't the same I think.. but that is my opinon.

Lauryn · Aug 13, 2007, 08:37 PM // 20:37

When I created my first character I was a total noob

Guild wars didn't have the nifty character creation screen that it does now and I didn't know how to work it, so my 27/28 month old character with over 2,000 hours has the default ranger face/hair/hair colour and height...

I would give anything just to change hairstyle

DarkWasp · Aug 13, 2007, 09:59 PM // 21:59

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Originally Posted by White knight lord

It may not be Hard, but I suggest you go code for all of the millions folks that want/would like a hair change.

Ey man never said I wouldn't do it. I dont have the source though, and I was like 10 when I was into C++ don't know much now.

But I still make some stuff for games like Half-Life, there was even this lil RPG mod. I know for sure the number of players doesnt make adding features harder, it just makes it more worthwhile.

I added a door to my house in a Swamp map...
Ray's house
...And uh, I don't have to reprogram it every time a new person joins the server. But hey, the more people that join, the more that can admire my cheap lil door.

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Originally Posted by White knight lord

I realize this is just a game. Sometimes when I play, I play to well.."escape" if I may from the outside world of stupid people on a day by day basis and play the game by myself or with friends.I do care what my characters look like because no matter what char looks like there is a little of you inside the char from the "names,hair,size,title or just over all looks". I Like all my chars and to change them...it just isn't the same I think.. but that is my opinon.

I can understand what you are saying now, and it makes a lot of sense.

So you can see why I wouldn't want plastic surgery in this game.

Hair is a different story, it's our natural attire. We were given hair so we could style it and see what makes us look better. Some people like to go for a new look every day. I don't think it'll compromise our identity too much.

Jongo River · Aug 13, 2007, 10:06 PM // 22:06

I have to stop reading this forum. There are some opinions that make me want to hate myself for even being part of this "community". I just don't get it - in a largely third person game like GW, I barely see other players faces. I really don't understand how anyone could get that hung up on them. Even if the name was the only thing that remained consistent, I've played so many FPS games where that has worked just fine... Hell, in FPS games, names aren't reserved and can be mimicked and it still doesn't stop you from immediately recognising who you know, through personality. Granted, smaller communities, but even so...

Why the heck do some people go so nuts over this issue? If someone wants a change, so what? It shouldn't be of concern to anyone else.

Dervish Gnome · Aug 14, 2007, 02:20 AM // 02:20

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Originally Posted by Jongo River

Why the heck do some people go so nuts over this issue? If someone wants a change, so what? It shouldn't be of concern to anyone else.

This is where the thread splits. I and a few others will agree with you while a group of nay-sayers will deny, stomp, /pout all over the forum about how this should not be allowed.

So I propose this, why not make the Hairstylist NPC an upgrade for a guild hall? Then if you want you can go to your own little guild hall and do your thing. Or if you don't want the NPC then you can whine and complain to your guild leader that purchased the NPC until they kick you out of said guild. Anyways, the point being that if you don't like the idea of a hairstylist then you wouldn't have to have one nor would you ever have to see one if your guild doesn't purchase the upgrade.

Problem solved? Indeed it isn't. I'm sure someone will name off a dozen reasons why this would not work. Personally, I'm okay with this idea.

Sugr · Aug 14, 2007, 02:50 AM // 02:50

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So I propose this, why not make the Hairstylist NPC an upgrade for a guild hall? Then if you want you can go to your own little guild hall and do your thing. Or if you don't want the NPC then you can whine and complain to your guild leader that purchased the NPC until they kick you out of said guild. Anyways, the point being that if you don't like the idea of a hairstylist then you wouldn't have to have one nor would you ever have to see one if your guild doesn't purchase the upgrade. by Dervish Gnome

Well said since just the idea of what you put or have in your Guild Hall is your total decision also. To me making a mistake in hair is something that can't be rectified. We can change many things but instead of wearing the Ugly helmets that some chars are left with what are we to do? So yes we can leave them off but we can't change after that. So why not give a choice to the Guild Leader to have or have not? Even if it's just changing to one of the choices already given when creating your char how is that difficult?

Bryant Again · Aug 14, 2007, 07:46 AM // 07:46

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Originally Posted by White knight lord

IDK where in the hell you pulled that out from. I never said go to such extremes...

One of the extremes you mentioned was to just have a wig system, putting quite a dent in builds *and* removing the armor rating from the head.

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Originally Posted by White knight lord

but it should have a fairly high cost to prevent folks from changeing every day and/or every week. I know it is their char but come on that would be rediculious (not saying everyone would but some).

I don't see what's wrong with it.

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Originally Posted by White knight lord

If your saying you are "tired" of your hair that means you basically hate it cuz its old, but ya still hate it.

/facepalm

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Originally Posted by White knight lord

I do not know if going through Millions of individual codeing for each char is hard. how bout you find that out for me

You've pretty much proved to me that you don't know what you're saying. Why do I have to prove something that was said by you in the first place?